If you mean who currently owns Redfield scopes, the answer is Leupold & Stevens (as of 2020). good manners are hard to come by these days. I’m not sure if any of you out there were aware we made very sophisticated optical/mechanical instrumentation, optics for military jet gunsights, fire control optics (military stuff, not firemen) and wind tunnel instrumentation. I was told they have been working on the process of trying to convert some of the making of the python for CNC for a few years before that point and even what they did have in the computer set up for it still wasn’t enough to be able to make them faster or as cheap as people want. And what they’re trying to sell as they get pushed out the door are oil-drilling leases in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, or ANWR. So, to fully answer the original question about Redfield scopes being discontinued, the answer is really dependent on what generation of Redfield scope you are asking about. Copyright riflescope-review.com 2021 - Disclaimer: Rifle Scope Review is a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program and the Ebay affiliate program, which are affiliate advertising programs designed to provide a means for sites to earn advertising fees by advertising and linking to amazon.com (or any related Amazon web property), and Ebay.com or any related Ebay web property. Not much had changed. i have no idea, and would like to know who the men were. save. I’m just providing the contact info for a potential resource. In 1944, John Redfield passed away, and his son Wyatt, took over the Redfield business. You can see in the image below what a high grade riflescope with all the trimmings looked like. Among current companies those shadey shysters at PSA are doing more damage to the industry and causing larger older firms to keep making cheaper and cheaper crap to compete so as to stay in business in the face of palmetto state armory churning out garbage. He will be missed. The gun sights he designed proved to be a success, and his son Wyatt joined the business. I actually spoke with Rocky Green a few times and met him at SHOT in ‘05. Thanks for posting it. Now, if you happen to be calling Leupold about warranty service on one of the Redfield models that they don’t cover, Leupold will make this offer: If you send the damaged scope in to them, they will offer you a substantial discount (something like a 30% discount off retail) on any of the Redfield models of scopes that Leupold is currently offering. I'm 6' 4" tall and have long arms. Without a serial number, there isn’t really a reference point in time to help determine age. Ultimately I became a Division President for that organization. You’d think that if it were so damn easy, someone would have scooped up all the money in the market that could be had by making a Colt Python for less than $1K/copy. All of the  who’s who, of the shooting world used Unertls and knew  John Sr. back in the day and John Sr. was very active in the shooting community. The scopes had the benefit of this financing. A man can only dream about what they would have made had the younger J. Unertl had taken over the company and expended it and moved into modern designs. Well, in 1926 when a Winchester Model52 rifle cost $36 yankee greenbacks, a Fecker optic would cost from $30 to $50 yankee dollars. Also, in addition to phasing down the number of Redfield rifle scope series they offer, Leupold also has not released a Redfield catalog or updated the Redfield portion of their website since 2014. Posts: 374. I bought an A1 mount from him about the same time too. I am a huge fan of the USMC 10x. the python came up and how labor intense it is and how everyone thinks now Colt can just use a CNC to shit out pythons all day. Hand fit parts meticulously assembled by true artisans. You should get a Unertl catalog which shows different models and gives focusing information etc. From the early 1960’s to the 1980’s, Redfield and Leupold were the two dominant American made rifle scope brands. My heart strings pulled, but the realities of the situation were compelling. the next time (late 70’s early 80’s) the elderly woman went and got John ? (2)  Water samples from the edge of the Redfield property in Denver were supposedly contaminated with pollutants from the Redfield plant, which led the EPA to levy charges and a major fine against Redfield management. Thousands of small businesses cry out for rescue Pressure is mounting on the government to step in as thousands of Victorian small businesses face the prospect of going under. As usual with most gun forums, few of the poster new much about much and were posting all kinds of BS about Unertl and US Optics ( which did some shady stuff after Unertl went into limbo and got sued for their troubles irrespective of what you may hear otherwise) until most unexpectedly John R Unertl himself popped up to set the record straight. but they couldn’t get buyers to understand that. Apr 25, 2017 13,431 17,805. Last night I got thinking about Unertl again after a friend asked me something about those old beauties and remembered some years ago there was a forum discussion some where or other about what happened. A sniper is a military/paramilitary marksman who engages targets from positions of concealment or at distances exceeding the target's detection capabilities. Lots of people who have never made a part in their lives, never mind actually fit something together in firearms, think that CNC machines are magic: you just draw up something in a CAD program, stuff it through a CAM system to come up with a toolpath, drop in the blank material on the workholding or fixtures, hit the green button and go get rich. It is a little sad to me that today few younger shooters even know the name. Anyone have any experience with converting Unertl mounts for Lyman bases? Ain’t that the damned truth. Campfire Regular. long as its cheap. The objective lens does not rotate when focusing. When Leupold first purchased the brand in 2008, they re-introduced the brand to the market, and then started expanding the Redfield line of scopes each year. 4 4 & 10 More. The rear ocular lens rotates for parallax adjustment for the individual user. I hear this all the time from gun buyers. The Navy bought a large number of the Tasco product under the contract #N00164-93-C-205. He gave people a high-quality product at an affordable price. At that point I knew they were not Eventually his travels led John to start the Western Gun Sight Company in Denver in 1909. Thanks for letting us know. Fluff. He did this by following the simple template for success in American business. The scopes were that Unfortunately, I cannot. As I understand it, I need to rotate this objective to focus…and also to help in correcting Parallax? Has the Vortex Copperhead Scope Been Discontinued? I saved his comments as they were a peak into the history of a legendary firearms industry company. share. The marketing of these scopes was controlled by Pyramont North America and represented to Dark Ops … Please let me know if I am missing something or if there is a trick to getting that end lens objective to rotate. Just as Falcon optics did with their 4-14, which is also now sold by primary arms, albeit with a different reticle and BSA. J. Unertl Sr.  immigrated to the US from Germany and  worked for J. W. Fecker. I’ve had the chance to spend some time with several of the different Revolution scope models, and it seems to be a fairly good scope. In order to accurately try to answer that question, I’ll need to provide some context from the history of Redfield scopes. I've been through a lot of optics searching for the best for my M4. Out of 860 rockets fired onto the airport in a six month period only one hit the runway says Burt. It doesn’t budge at all. They have no clue what goes into making a quality gun, and no desire to learn. Although Redfield management was against this concept, they ultimately gave in and began using non-USA made parts around the 1994/1995 timeframe. ” I can only assume the guys that bought the company just figured to buy some drawings, program a CNC machine, stamp it Unertl & watch the money roll in.”. who is in the picture. People can get angry at me for this but Ruger has a hand in that as well. CALL OUR PRODUCT EXPERTS. I stopped at the Unertl factory a couple of times. I had unscrewed it and dried the insides. I had a chunk of deployment money set aside in the hopes of finding one of the few (legal) Unertl 10x’s floating around the market to set atop a TBA M40A1 build. Enjoy your food. The USMC sniper 10X was a fixed power scope but it had some pretty trick features, especially for its time. Most people don’t know what they don’t know about CNC machines, starting with the spindle TIR. I speak from my own experience only. It wasn’t until Am 84 years old and probably will never shoot it. Fecker scopes was a company that built the highest of quality target scopes which started selling his optics in 1922. cheaper because a whole lot easier to make. AS one forum “expert” even made the idiotic claim that the Unertls were made in a barn.. “Gentlemen, Let me clear up some inaccurate or most likely a lot of bogus information out there regarding the Unertl Optical Company and make clear some facts about the rifle scopes themselves. Redfield filed for bankruptcy, sold off all the company assets, and officially ceased operations in the summer of 1998. Keep in mind, that the scopes produced during this time of Redfield’s history were not the same models that Redfield had been offering at their Denver CO plant. I doubt you can find guys like this any more with this kind of skill and dedication. A very tough optic that was the first to use the Mil-dot crosshairs. Who is all in the last pic? I can only assume the guys that bought the company just figured to buy some drawings, Vortex Razor HD Gen II 4.5-27×56 vs Nightforce NX8 4-32×50 F1 Comparison, Understanding the Differences Between Tikka T1x Scope Mounts, Tikka T1X Scope Rings, and Tikka T1X Scope Bases. He replied that he would like to but was far to busy with military lens work. Doesn’t matter the product – 1911’s, Pythons, revolvers in general, double guns, you name it, match rifles. With a natural propensity for all things mechanical, in 1893, he set up shop as a gunsmith in Oregon. which accounted for several thousand chucks and crows back in the Seventies and Eighties. Cook with confidence. The picture was taken in 1948 in Johnstown, PA at an important event in precision shooting history. They did, however, provide the load specifications to RUAG Ammotec, which was their sole provider. The Redfield line languished in obscurity with Meade until the middle of 2008, when Meade decided to sell off all of its sports optics brands. Box included. i think the tall fellow w/ the suspenders is john nosler, pretty “certain” of it. However, it appears that this time the mirroring is an intentional homage to the original CS games rather than an accident from the animation process, as some of the weapons have non-mirrored markings, suggesting that they were intentionally modeled as mirrored weapons. I felt he was tring to get a nice scope cheap so he could resell it. commitment. (2)  Warranty on the 2nd generation of Redfield scopes that were branded as Redfield under the Blount International brand: When Blount owned the brand and was producing Redfield branded scopes, those came with a limited lifetime warranty as well, which was serviced by Blount while they owned the brand. So I like the stock on my rifle to be extended. It’s what I came up with. I elected to resign at that point and move on. (2)  You can check at the Ironsight facility I previously mentioned. I can only imagine the quality of the target and varmint scopes. Hot New Top Rising. pinned by moderators. I had a friend that had quite a few varmint outfits with high end Unertl’s on them. They’re both functional guns, but neither one is a quality firearm, and neither one can be turned into a quality firearm any more than you could turn a cowpie into a bronze sculpture. (4)  Warranty on the 3rd generation, Leupold owned Redfield scopes: At the date of this writing (2020), Leupold was offering a limited lifetime warranty on any of the Redfield scopes that were manufactured by Leupold (meaning any Redfield scope manufactured after 2008). I am not sure it was ever fielded of the M40A5. Then the unions at many gun companies finished the deal off, and… here we are. Its some sad times we live in when masses only demand more throw away junk. Bought this one on a whim and frankly, I'm loving my decision. There are some machines that will do better, eg, the Kitamura’s MyCenter mills. I have a few other hunting style Unertl’s that I bought years ago. What’s going out of business is the Trump administration. you know how it is. John Unertl Sr. pictured below, top row second from left. Not his exact words but as close as I can recollect. In general tho, most machines hold the precision I’ve outlined above (eg, Haas, et al). Sorry, didn’t work that way. Most people have never fit parts together by using a smoke lamp or marking blue, and have no idea what the resulting dimensional changes are when this is done. PSA. The company that would eventually become Redfield was founded by John Hill Redfield. It is the one that appears to work on some sort of cam-mechanism principle. 8 2 28. While the questions about Redfield scopes are varied, one of the more popular questions I’m asked is: were or have Redfield scopes discontinued? Note that I’m not affiliated with Ironsight in any way. PRIME did not manufacture their own ammunition. the Remington 721 et seq. News from up north: They’re holding a ‘going out of business sale’ in the Arctic Dec. 4, 2020 at 5:00 pm A view of the Brooks Range in Alaska’s Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. They were assembled, taken down, re-assembled,, numerous times. But the truth is, the company most responsible for this depressing state of affairs is Remington. RECOIL is a firearms lifestyle magazine covering not only guns but the lifestyle gun enthusiasts enjoy. That is; options that wouldn't break the bank. 1.6k. Most CNC machines have spindled hearings that are no better than the bearings on most manual – 0.0002″ TIR. At the time this post was published (2/20), Leupold still owns and was making Redfield scopes. Yeah I don’t think it was used on the A5 but if I hadn’t said that some one would have come to the comments telling me how I don’t know anything because they saw a picture one time of an Unertl 10X on a n A5 or some other BS. Or is it best to get new scope blocks and leave the Unertl mounts alone? I promise that there will be a longer upcoming article about it. Your choices out there are Curt Wolfe/Rock Ridge Machine, Gibbs rifle co … - This Natchez Rifle Scopes And Ncstar 4x32 P4 Sniper Rifle Scope is very good, with quite a bit of love to come see you right here advocate. I have rifles with Lyman style bases and several Unertl scopes with Posa-mounts. When the US Optics scopes were announced and then delayed for years (I still have the original sheets and order forms) and then the Unertl company appeared to be resurrecting and bringing lawsuits I didn’t know if I’d ever get a scope. was a better gun. I took a job with Leitz, a well known optical instrument company. I only wish he would have written a book or an article about the company in some form for posterity. If you didn’t know, this Rocky Green fellow did market a few  M1911s made with the Unertl name on them  and they were a take on the  older USMC  used 1911s  before MARSOC. Many gunsmiths/gunmakers blame this on Glocks and AR-15’s. During the late 1990’s two developments occurred that led to the downfall of the original Redfield Rifle Scope Company: (1)  The introduction of parts that were sourced outside of the USA supposedly led to issues with the quality of the scopes and did some damage to the brand name. PX Member. A model was also made for use on the M82, 50BMG sniper rifle. Sent the scope to Lee to get a Lee dot installed about 10 years ago but haven’t shot rifle since. He also had quite an abrasive side and could alienate people fairly easily. 0 The other Redfield series offered by Leupold, such as the Battlezone, Revenge, and Counterstrike models were produced for Leupold at facilities in the Philippines or China (depending on the specific series). Legend has it, that Redfield had a great love of the outdoors, and spent much of his youth outdoors hunting and fishing. No need anyway. Unertl worked there as one of Feckers most talented and skilled engineers  until leaving to start his own optics business in 1928. Like most of the questions associated with Redfield scopes, the answer somewhat depends on the specific generation and maker/manufacturer of the Redfield scope in question. All of the personalities involved here were strong personalities in their own right. Depending on the specific Redfield branded model, these scopes are produced at either the LOW (Light Optical Works) facility in Japan, or at an optical plant in the Philippines. I use a 6x hunting style Unertl scope on my squirrel .22, that is as clear as a the day it was manufactured. This resulted in Winchester doing absolutely stupid things in response, trying to out-schlock Remington. Call us Toll-free Optics: (800)423-3537 Accessories: (800) 533-5000 Explore our brands No icon name was supplied or your browser does not support SVG I canceled everything with them and hope they go out of business. I had a 15X Unertl Ultra Varmint scope that sat atop my old Remington 40XB 6mm Rem. All the A-list gossip and social pics. In the early days of the Unertl Optics Co.  J. Unertl even supplied his scopes with Fecker mounts ( or what you would think of as “rings”) until developing his own. 2nd Generation of Redfield scopes that were Simmons/Weaver models rebadged under the Redfield name: These really were not “Redfield scopes” in the traditional sense, and these models were also discontinued in 2002 when Meade Instruments bought the brand. 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